Thursday, July 28, 2005

KelTec Sub 2000 Carbine - Another Review

KelTec Sub 2000 9-mm Carbine - folded up

This gives you an idea of how compact the KelTec is when folded.

Rivrdog got a chance to get out to the range and put in some serious time with a KelTec Sub 2000 Carbine chambered in .40 S&W. This carbine is available both in .40 S&W and 9mm.

His review and range report can be found here.

Cowboy Blob also has a review on the Keltec 9mm. here. (The above pic's were "borrowed" from Cowboy Blob's review)

For a review and range report of another 9mm. carbine, the Hi Point 9mm. carbine, click here.

I think I need one of these KelTecs..........


At Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One small correctimundo, Oh Rimfire Savant: it was a .40 S&W Kel-Tec.

I am curious though: everyone else who wrote about the Sub 2000 tried the 9mm version, which had almost no feeding issues in all those reports. I had quite a few feeding issues when I tried out the .40 version.

Any clues here?

From experience, failures to feed are usually either maggy issues or new/dirty bolt channel issues on this type of weapon. Only had couple of mags to try with, and I used plenty of Break-Free CLP in the bolt channel. I fired steadily, and the weapon got warm, all the way back to the bolt carrier section, and it was bloody hot in the range, over 90 (35+ for you Canudian readers).

If I get another chance at this weapon, I will ask the owner if I may lube it with TGSCOM Spec-308, a dandy lube Glock formulated to keep their pistols smokin' under duress.

I think bullet design may have something to do with the feeding issue. In all the failures, the round froze entering the chamber where the cone-shaped part of the bullet was contacting the chamber wall flush with the surface of the cone. The bolt seemed sticky after 20 rounds or so without CLP. It was probably a combo of bullet friction in the chamber and lack of oomph behind the bolt due to ITS friction that caused the failures.

I had some eeevil Ranger Teflon coated rounds, but they are worth their weight in gold now, and I didn't have enough of them to see if bullet friction in the chamber was the main cause.


At Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:16:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Completely said...

I'll revise it to being a .40, and the picture of Cowboy Blob's being a 9mm.

I've spent far too many hours fooling around with magazines, and if the same physics apply on larger calibers as for rimfire, the dimension between the lips at the top of the mag can be critical. If you can come up with one mag that feeds OK, try adjusting the other mag to exactly the same dimension between the lips. Magazine spring tension and/or stickyness can also cause problems. Any stickyness or roughness in the slide travel will also do it. Colder weather seems to thicken up the lubricant, and slow down the cycle rate, causing problems, too.

You might talk to the owner about polishing the rails and all sliding/moving surfaces, and a little trigger work while you're there.

Actually, I'm amazed that the feed as well as they do.......

At Friday, July 29, 2005 1:11:00 PM, Blogger Countertop said...

What kind of bag is that. Looks pretty good. Do you know its dimensions? I've been looking for a new range bag as well as a new lightweight travel bag.

At Friday, July 29, 2005 1:24:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Completely said...

Countertop: The bag is Cowboy Blob's, I assume, since I "borrowed" the pic from his site......

At Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:05:00 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

I bought the 9mm version of the Kel-Tec sub 2000, and to try and save some money, bought some after market 33 round clips. They were supposed to fit the Glock 17 and 19. I immediatly began experiencing a jamming problem. After trying everthing I could think of to remedy the problem, and to avoid shipping it back to the manufacturer, I took it to a local gun shop. We discovered that the factory 10 rnd mag could be inserted and locked in place, (empty), with one finger. The aftermarket mags, however, hadto be forced in, and could be removed without pushing the realease button. We then decided to try a factory Glock 19 mag with the same result. It went in hard, and pulled out without hitting the release button. The next step was to try a factory Glock 17 mag. It pushed in, and locked into place with one finger. I then loaded the Glock 17 mag, (17 rnd), and went into the firing range. I emptied the mag twice, with only one jam, which was one hell of an improvement. The gun shop owner also said that holding the butt tight against my shoulder would probably also help.


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