Saturday, May 20, 2006

Hi-Point 9mm. Carbine - Another Opinion?

Hi-Point 9mm. Carbine



I got an interesting comment from an anonymous gun expert responding to my review of a while back on the Hi Point 9mm. Carbine, and I thought I'd post it, for my response, and to give you readers a chance to respond too......

Anonymous Comment:
1. 9mm is NOT an acceptable deer cartridge. You would have to be retarded or starving to try to take a deer with this rifle. Taking a 9mm on a deer hunt is completely unethical, as any deer you shoot is more likely to never be recovered and die slowly of infection over the next few weeks.

2. Hi-points are pieces of junk marketed to criminals. The sporting goods store I work in has stopped taking special orders of these guns because of the high number of "denies" we get back on NICS background checks of people trying to order these guns. Usually we receive a deny back from NICS less than 1% of the time ( I was bored one day and counted) with Hi-Points products we get a "deny" back 20%+ of the time. I have a very strong suspicion that all these positive reviews I have seen of Hi-Points online are coming from a few select very questionable sources with a profit motive.
I do have a couple of observations. I grew up in a rural area with lots of deer, and lots of hard working but low income families. A number of these families ate a lot of venison. Most of the time it was taken at night with a .22 rifle. Although technically this was poaching, the locals and the game warden looked the other way, since these families needed the venison to feed their families, and nothing was wasted.

A well-placed 9mm. will drop a deer. A poorly placed 30-06 won't. 9mm. definitely has more knock down power that bow hunting, yet responsibly done by a skilled hunter, bow hunting can be very successful.

"Hi-points are pieces of junk marketed to criminals."

Can you show me an example of Hi-Point marketing their rifles to criminals? I saw a Hi-Point ad in a NRA magazine, visited their website, talked to a couple of other shooters, and ordered one for myself.

Do criminals use Hi-Points? Yes, but they also use Smith & Wessons, Glocks, Berettas, and just about everything else, too.

I have a very strong suspicion that all these positive reviews I have seen of Hi-Points online are coming from a few select very questionable sources with a profit motive.

I don't make a dime off of blogging or from my gun reviews. I enjoy shooting my Hi-Point carbine, and have let a number of other folks shoot it too, and everyone who has shot it has enjoyed it. I don't think it's ever had a mis-feed or stove-pipe, and nothing mechanical has ever failed.

The Hi-Point carbine is a great way to get in a lot of center-fire plinking just for the fun of it while keeping the cost as low as possible.

How about it, shooters, anything to add?


61 Comments:

At Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:28:00 AM, Blogger AlanDP said...

Most non-hunters probably don't realize that it isn't necessary to shoot a deer through its chest. The better hunters will shoot to break the deer's neck, and I would guess that a decent 9mm cartridge would have plenty of power to break a deer's neck at the right range. I wouldn't try it on long-range shots, but in dense brush country where most hunting is done at close range it would probably work. And by close range I mean less than 100 yards, sometimes less than 50 yards.

Of course, head shots would work, too.

 
At Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:20:00 AM, Anonymous og said...

Seen deer taken with 22 mags several times. I cannot imagine a firearm that can't be abused, nor a "gangsta" firearm that wouldn't be fun to shoot. To hell wiht reviews like this.

 
At Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:07:00 AM, Blogger Tim said...

Let this loser talk all he wants about Hi-Points and his "OPINION" of them. There are hundreds of people whom I KNOW that own Hi-Point pistols and carbines just for plinking purposes or protection.

Check out:
http://hipoint.7.forumer.com/

 
At Friday, May 26, 2006 11:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i've seen that comment verbatim somewhere else. it stinks of a plant. personally i plan on getting one myself at the earliest convenience especially now that ati came out with that beretta storm knock-off replacement stoock.

 
At Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who works for a non-profit organization that is dedicated to protecting both our state's natural resources and our citizen's right to enjoy them, specifically by defending second amendment rights, I am thankful that Hi-Point continues to make and sell their products.

If you didn't know, non-profit workers tend to be on the low income side of the equation. I get tremendous personal satisfaction from what I do, but when it comes to excess cash for things like guns, I don't have as much as I would like (then again, do any of us?). I personally own a Hi-Point C9 handgun, and am looking forward to adding a 9mm carbine to that. It works wonderfully. No mechanical errors, and simple, clean operation. I couldn't ask for more for $100 out the door. I'm still not terribly accurate (very limited handgun experience - the Army only ever issued me an M16) but getting better. I'll soon be using this weapon to qualify for a CCW.

My point is, while I'd love a Sig or Ruger (not really interested in a Glock - all the ones I have rented or borrowed were tremendously uncomfortable) I simply can't justify the $500 and up pricetag. For about half what a SigPro would run me, I can equip myself and wife with a functional handgun and carbine weapon, leaving money left over for ammunition, training, and range time. I hope I never have to use them, but I'll be much better off than someone still saving for a more expensive weapon.

Oh, and to the original commenter being replied to in this article, aside from the other gun manufacturers mentioned, criminals also use Fords, Chevys, Toyotas, ZipLock brand baggies, 3M duct tape, Victorinox brand knives, and Verizon cell phones to commit their crimes. What's your point? The gentleman who designed, built, and sells the Hi-Point weapons is, by all accounts, a stand up guy who employs dozens (hundreds?) of Americans, and is genuinely upset when he reads of crimes being committed with his product. He has worked with law enforcement on all levels to help ensure that HP's are both safe and identifiable with hidden serial numbers, etc to help bring criminals to justice.

 
At Monday, June 02, 2008 8:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the interests of serving what I perceive to be Mr. Completely's aims for this forum, please accept this edited version of the referenced comment. I believe it addresses the original commenter's points without going overboard into the bonehead territory where s/he so inadvisedly trod.

1. 9mm is not the best deer cartridge, but it is NO LESS an acceptable deer cartridge than many others that are widely used for that purpose. You would need to have short range (<~100yd) and/or good shot placement (cervical-vertebral fracture is probably the best kill point) to try to take a deer with this rifle. Taking a 9mm carbine of this barrel length and muzzle velocity on a deer hunt is completely ethical, as long as you make a bona fide effort to track & recover any deer you inadvertently shoot with poor placement -- so it does not die slowly of infection over the next few weeks, or heal crippled and die painfully from exposure and competition over the next few months.

2. Hi-Points are intentionally and explicitly inexpensive pieces of firearms technology; so it should not surprise us that their quality might not meet the same high standards of more expensive products that come from arguably higher-end manufacture and more stringent quality control. That said, a Hi-Point is overwhelmingly likely to best a home-made 9mm firearm in the categories of accuracy, reliability, and safety. The company has identified and sought to serve a limited-budget market segment that includes limited-budget criminals. To illustrate: the sporting goods store I work in stopped taking special orders of these guns, because less than 80% of the associated NICS background checks receive a clear result (by comparison with our checks over all, which average a clear result about 99% of the time).

I have a very strong suspicion that all these positive reviews I have seen of Hi-Points online are coming from a few select sources with a very questionable profit motive. Although this claim is difficult to substantiate, it is worth noting that not every firearms dealer should be presumed to be as ethical as the shop where I work myself. I strongly believe that my employer chose correctly in ceasing acceptance of special orders for Hi-Points, because the Hi-Point special order applicants in our specific market are demonstrably ten to twenty times more likely than average to have prohibitory information surface during their NICS background check. Since we are the sort of highly-ethical dealership that would take such a decision, there is admittedly some possibility that our offered selection and preferred clientele select somewhat for prospective customers skewed towards the clean-NICS-check pool within the broader population of all firearms applicants.

 
At Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an ex police officer and a retired firefighter . I have just purchased a 9mm Hi Point carbine because I love to shoot and this is very affordable shooting. The carbine has all the quality I need and works well out of the box. The only change I have made is a stock change going to an ATI stock. I can't believe a gun shop would stop stocking a gun that sell's.

 
At Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm your average law-abiding citizen and I always look for a good value. My first pistol was a C-9. My first impression is the same as my current impression. It's a great value and very reliable. I've shot many models. I still prefer my C-9. Go Bucks!

 
At Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to whom it may concern my son and i are avid deer hunters in n.c. he has taken 7 deer in the past 2 yrs with a hp 995 with hp ammo at varius ranges from 10 to 80 yrds with no tracking req. as to the quality of the 995 round count is 2600 rounds and counting my son is 8 yrs old and can shoot 1.5"groups @75yrds!this is a gun that i can say is very dependable as far as hunting deer yes u can take deer very ethicaly ............... p.s. when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns!

 
At Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is to the retard who said that a 9mm isn't big enough to kill a deer. You are a complete idiot and have no idea what you are talking about! why on earth would someone post a comment if you don't know what you are saying? I have personally witnessed deer being killed with 22s, .22 mags, and even .17s. anyone who has spent substantial time hunting would know that it would be very easy to kill a deer with a 9mm. Fucking idiot.

 
At Friday, November 07, 2008 9:25:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I came across this and had to put my 2 cents in. I am an avid shooter and collector and own more than my fair share of handguns and rifles. I've gone the expensive route with a custom Les Baer 1911,and also have Glock 17, Beretta 92FS, Taurus PT92(yes i have the beretta copy) H&K USP, S&W 5906, Norinco Tokarev 213 and thats just a small list of pistols. Rifles Colt and bushmaster AR-15's, H&K 91, Remington 700, multiple .22's, Winchester 94, Marlin 336, Marlin 444, browning BLR the list goes on. And I have a lot of hunting experience.
A good frind of mine who is very limited on funds got the approval from his wife to buy a gun last fall. With only $250 to spend I made sure before we went to the most recent gun show that he was aware he wouldnt get much for that and would be lucky to buy ammo to go with it. He settled on (against my better judgement) a 995 Hi-point carbine. Upon first look I was very unimpressed, ugly and clunky looking, but for $170 out the door new a good deal. It even came with a sling, scope mount and breakdown tool. (Breakdown and field stripping is not it's best suit)This left him enough to buy half a case of ammo, and off to the range we went. I was very surprised at how well it shot. Recoil was mild and groupings at 50 yards with open sites were amazing. Once I got used to it I could keep all my shots in a 3" circle at 50 yards and within a 5" circle at 100 yards using upen sites. Naturally for deer season my friend wanted to use his new rifle instead of borrowing one of mine. Since almost all of our shots are at 75 yards or less I didn't think it was a big deal. He managed to get an 8 point buck, shot aproximately 40 yards from his stand. The deer ran about 50 feet and dropped dead. So yes, a 9mm which is an approximate .35 caliber bullet (think .357 magnum or .38spl)Is plenty for taking deer. Espcially when used within it's limits. A 30/30 (most common deer rifle in america) is no good at taking game at 350+ yards, but a .280 is no problem. As long as the rifle and cartrige are used within thier respective ranges almost any caliber will suffice.
I was impressed enough with how the carbine shot that I decided to pick up a C-9 handgun and a 995 carbine. Is it clunky? Yes. Is it heavy? Yes. Is it ugly? Oh hell yes! Is it reliable? Again Yes. I have shot 1280 round though the C-9 using everything from cheap wolf and brown bear, reloads and higher end Fiocchi, Magtech, S&B, Winchester, and Cor Bon ammo. No failure to feed fire or eject yet. I've had a lot of fun plinking with the 995, it's even more fun with a red dot scope.
As for criminals being turned down, that's a good thing. Don't you think that after being turned down they'll get a gun illegally? Any hard criminal will.
As for Hi-points being a piece of junk, if that were true there wouldn't be a lifetime warranty on them. Go to the high point website and read the home page.
I'm not paid for, nor do I get anything from giving a positive review. I say what I think, and if I thought it was a POS, I'd call it a POS. I had a Kahr that never did run right and always jammed despite being sent back 3 times. Will I own another one, nope.
Overall I think Hi-Point is a decent product for a good price. Cheap and reliable and fun to shoot. As a back of the truck, toss in the boat or backpack gun they're great. It does everything it's supposed to with no frills. For someone on a budget that wants something to shoot they definitely fill a niche.

 
At Friday, November 21, 2008 12:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dunno about this particular weapon...but I have a 9mm Marlin camp carbine with a folding stock..I also have a Gustav M-45 (Swedish K submachine gun), and they are complements to the Browning Hi-Power that I carried for 11 years in S.E.A.
I have taken boar with the Browning, I have taken boar with the Gustav M-45 by firing single shots by tapping the trigger, and I have taken 3-4 white tail deer with the camp carbine, all single shot kills. Until some recent injuries, I hunted with a 75 pound pull bow, recurve with which I have taken elephant and tiger (dangerous rogues)....so a prudent person will take a well aimed spinal shot at a respectable distance and the weapon is sufficient. I would not try a heart or lung shot at any distance, but then a hunter would not be prudent in doing so. As for the criminal element using the firearms shown, I would think it's more show than go...
As for the cartridge...I have my grandfathers 1892 Winchester...originally .25-20 and I can tell you it has fed three generations of family since new in 1892. I now have it chambered for .357 magnum, and generally load it with .38 specials, and it has taken it's fair share of pig and deer.
Chuck

 
At Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The expenses associated with supporting a wife and several children leave many legitimate shooters in a position where if there weren't inexpensive firearms on the market they wouldn't be able to shoot at all. Not everyone needs a high quality tack driver or a tricked out "tactical" weapon just to have fun. Most of the tin cans I shoot at are not armed, so if I have an occaisional stovepipe or other stoppage it is not life threatening. As for the FFL background check failures, that's an interesting acedemic argument you could beat your gums on for hours. Have at it if that's what floats your boat. I'm just glad the checks are working regardless of the price of the gun involved.

 
At Monday, December 29, 2008 11:08:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that there are a number of folks ticked off by the comment that "9mm is not ethical" for use on Deer. I believe that probably comes from that commentor's local hunting regulations and training. Here in Colorado, the 9MM is NOT legal, and the instructors teach that it is unethical to try to kill an animal with underpowered cartridges. .22, .22 mag, even 223are also illegal and considered unethical. Is it POSSIBLE to kill one with those smaller rounds? Of course. But they also increase the liklihood that wounded animals will escape to die somewhere else and not be recovered.

If you want to (and can legally) hunt deer with 9mm in your state, more power to you. Here you can't.

However, the 9mm would be perfectly legal and ethical for coyote and other varmint hunting, provided you can get coyotes close enough to hit.

I am one of the "budget" hunters. I needed a deer/elk rifle, so I bought a Mosin Nagant M44 (6.29 x 54) for $99! It is a GREAT, powerful rifle with ballistics like a 30-06. You can put a scope on it and hit deer at 300 yards and drop em.

But YES, I do want one of the HP 9mm carbines! Can't wait to buy that. I think it will be a fun coyote killer.

 
At Monday, December 29, 2008 7:48:00 PM, Blogger Jon said...

I have bought the C9 and the 995 in the last 2 weeks, I took the C9 up to the range 2 days ago, shot 200 rounds thru. No failure to feeds or any other problems. I will be taking the 995 up this week. I am like allot of you, I just did not want to spend $800 or whatever on a handgun, I read good things about the Hi-Point and so far so good. I will not buy a gun if it is not reliable, I will not buy a rifle ifs its not accurate. I also wont buy a brand name just for the sake of the name. The Hi-Point has a life time warantee. The people bashing them are like the Harley riders who dont ride, just have the Harley for the name only. You know Hi-Point is ALL AMERICAN made, what other guns are, to the bashers, give them a chance.

 
At Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i love my 995 its great i bought it in 98 , just because i thought it looked cool and it was cheap. then i fired it and was impressed at 75 yrds out of the box it shot as good as my skill could do . i have nicer guns but it is always along with the others when it time to shoot

 
At Monday, February 09, 2009 5:46:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi.i own a sig p239,and a kimber stainless ultra carry 2,and a high point cf380,plus a few other guns;i gotta tell ya's the high point blows away the others for being accurate,also reliable as hell...$900.00 for a kimber,or $160.00 for a high point?do the math!

 
At Friday, February 13, 2009 7:15:00 PM, Anonymous James Taylor said...

Hi-points may not be fancy but us hard working poor folks out here can't afford Kimbers !! This company has given alot of people whom otherwise could not afford it a means of defending hearth & home. Thats a good thing in my eyes.

 
At Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:32:00 AM, Anonymous Maddison76 said...

I own a hi-point 9mm carbine and really enjoy shooting it. I just recently changed out the stock and am looking to mount a red dot scope on it that was given to me. Anybody know where I can get a rail mount that will fit the top? The rail I have the allen bolts are to large to fit the holes that exist.

 
At Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:37:00 AM, Blogger Mr. Completely said...

The Hi-Point carbine comes with a stamped sheet metal rail mount and the mount screws for it in a package with it. You should be able to order a new one and the right screws from Hi-Point. Contact

Beemiller, Inc.
1015 Springmill Rd.
Mansfield, OH 44906
866-948-4867

They should have what you need.

Mr. C.

 
At Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:36:00 PM, Anonymous Maddison76 said...

Oh, and for the statement of this being a criminal gun...I work with prisoners and most of them have never bought a gun through legal means in the first place. They usually get their guns through stealing them or from buying them off "some dude". The background checks that are coming back as failures or rejections are probably from people that committed lesser crimes but are enough to take away their right to bear arms. Most people don't think about substance abuse and domestics, but I know in my state of Iowa both of those can take away your right to bear fire arms, so does a sex crime. But as for your common thug that would use a gun to commit a crime most have never tried to purchase a gun through legal means.

 
At Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here we go again! Hi-Point is no "gangsta gun". It is a fun economical weapon. Its looks are somewhat mysterious and perhaps(used loosely)tactical. I own several weapons and this is just one fun shooter for the price.

 
At Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A criminals gun??? I didnt know they really had a preferance as long as it fires a round. I am not a criminal, but i do love my hi points. It does not make sense for a gun lover to pigeon hold a single brand, just becasue they keep the price affordable. With alot less than a 9mm you can take down most game.If not how did Native Americans survive??? hahahah but enough of that like I said I have a few hi points and for the price they are some of the best shooting guns you can get!

 
At Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:03:00 PM, Anonymous Slater said...

I live in Phoenix, Arizona where the Hi-Points are made. Having met the owner and a number of his employees (about 40 American Citizens) i can tell you that this man and his company do everything in their power to keep the weapons out of the hands of criminals and bring those who do get a hold of them for destructive purposes, to justice. This company is more patriotic than 99% of company's. they hold their production to limited numbers because quality does matter to them, even if the demand is high (it is very high here in the valley, and will become higher now that they have been named in obama's gun ban) they wont expand past what they have now because they don't want to risk loosing a connection with the customer or their product. The life time no questions asked guarantee on all guns is proof of their commitment. Please don't post false review or comments on product because it is low in price therefore it has to be low in quality and for criminals. Company's like this need more respect for being the American job providing company they are.

 
At Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:24:00 AM, Anonymous Rich said...

I do have to agree that if a criminal is looking for a handgun carbine the hi point is going to be the choice of most due to it's low price, I have a buddy that has a hi point 9mm carbine and it is accurate and fun to shoot, it was ugly as sin out of the box (my opinion and his) but he put on the Beretta storm knock off stock and a barrel shroud and it looks great now. I just bought a CX-4 Storm today because I wanted a 9mm carbine as well and chose the Storm over the hi point mainly because I have a 92FS as my carry gun and wanted my carbine to use the same mags which in my opinion is what makes the most sense about a handgun carbine. I saw a lot of police departments are doing the same, issuing Beretta handguns and the matching Storms for duty use.

 
At Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a 4095 Hi-Point Carbine. It's accurate and a load of fun to shoot. The commenter that made all the derogatory comments is probably an anti-gunner plant. I know a few people that have them and love them. As others have said, any gun can be abused.
I took a nice doe this season with the carbine. Broad side at about 40yards through the lungs. She went less than 50 yards and fell dead. 180 grain Hornady HP was all it took. A very inexpensive, fun, accurate useful gun.

 
At Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:48:00 PM, Blogger Bob_Kim said...

Just got back from my second time at the range with my 9mm hi-point carbine... it is an excellent gun. no jams, on-the-money, easy to use and relatively compact.

I would recommend this gun to absolutely anyone who wants a fun and extremely accurate rifle.

All the reviews giving hi-point a hard time is a bunch of crap. Saying one shouldn't buy a hi-point because it is inexpensive or the choice of other-than the gun purest is live saying Honda should stop manufacturing the Civic.

This gun was perfect for me. And the price was killer too - under $200 all told.

The ammo is expensive relative to the 22 of course, but the gun is killer - next on my list: 9mm compact - from - hi-point.

 
At Friday, April 03, 2009 12:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi i own a hi-point c9 9mm and i think its a great firearm and it works just as well if not better thes the pricey ones

 
At Friday, May 01, 2009 6:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a Hi Point 9mm carbine and it will not feed properly. The round will tumble in the chamber every 2 or 3 shots. Any ideas?

 
At Friday, May 01, 2009 7:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have the C9 pistol which is what the carbine is basically. My 1st time shooting it would jam about every 4 times I pulled the trigger.
I am not a gun person so I read what others said...give the mags time to break in. When they are new don't load them to full capacity. I realized in my CCW class I had been "riding the slide" instead of letting the spring load the bullet. I sprayed a small amount of RemOil in the chamber and barrel before shooting.
I was also using 147 gr. JHPs which is LONGER than 115 gr ammo. I noticed after loading my mags the 1st round was flat instead of slightly angled up so I started flexing the spring before slapping the mag into the pistol which corrects that before shooting. Today I qualified at the range for my CCW class using 115 gr. UMC. Loading my magazines 1 round less than full capacity I shot 50 rounds repeatedly with NO JAMS and my grouping tore almost the entire red circle from the center of target. I caught plenty of people watching me with curiosity. I believe HI Points are great quality at a great price. Spend time with your firearm no matter what kind it is and you'll gain the confidence that I have.

 
At Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Purchased a HiPoint 995. Took it to the range for the first time wearing a new Pentax Red Dot. Shot about 50 rounds, no Jams no misfeeds. I have shot various Rifles, AR15's... and I find the Hi Point to be very acurate. The 9mm rounds are slower, but at 100 yards either AR15 or HiPoint will put enough rounds where it counts. But I have never associate accuracy or reliability with Price or brand. I exclusively own Rugers and Remington and now Hi Point. Next I'll buy the Taurus45/410 Revolver. It it a great firearm.

 
At Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:29:00 PM, Anonymous john said...

I am a new owner of a HI Point Carbine. I really like it, though the first 50 rounds I had 3 jams, probably due to the ammo. The weapon is reliable and easy to care for.

 
At Friday, June 12, 2009 10:28:00 AM, Anonymous scoots said...

Hi there, been scanning the webs about this firearm and have decided to get one myself. Called several local gun dealers and they are hard to find. Still plugging along though.

 
At Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:11:00 PM, Anonymous guntotingtexan said...

I'll be hitting the gun show this weekend and I hope to find my hi-point there!

As far as the 'cheap' gun theory goes: I, like a lot of other posters to this blog, have a collection of that includes some high priced guns (RRA target AR15, match 1911) and some low priced (SKS, Makarov). As I recall, when the SKS was going for $90, it was also considered a hunk of junk and that criminals would buy them. Now they're going for $300 to 400+

The 'Cheap' gun theory seems to be politically motivated. A lot of the violent crime in this part of the country is drug gang related: they have no shortage of drug money to spend on glocks and cadillacs.

 
At Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After learning about the Hi point Carbine I went looking for one. Our two local gun shops gave me the same song and dance about cheap gun Saturday night special Etc. The real truth is would you rather make your % mark up on a $220 carbine or a $1000 to $1500 carbine as the gent with all the bones to pick with the Hi Point 995 has his head so far up his rear they need to put a window in his belly so he can see the light of day. I found my Hi point 995 for $249 with a RD 30 red dot scope it shot 1.5 in patterns in 5 shot groups for me and my brother. This guy is just a jerk grinding his bosses ax.
Nitrox

 
At Monday, July 13, 2009 6:55:00 PM, Blogger Grunt said...

I thought Hi-Point was made in China. No?
I understand its inexpensive (i.e, cheap) but onw the 9mm semi and its fun to shoot. At least until I took it apart and then -apparently- put it back together incorrectly. Can't figure out what I did wrong. The manual isn't a lot of help. Now I have a paperweight. But a cool looking paperweight.
An "ex police officer and a retired firefighter" wrote that he bought the carbine because he he loves to shoot and this thing provides affordable shooting. I can echo that, even though I don't own a carbine. Yet. Just going off my experience with the pistol.
To the guy that owns a whole bunch of guns (Friday, November 07, 2008 9:25:00 AM). You're obviously a gun nut. Wish I could afford to be but can't. Thank you for helping the new guy out. Kudos to you. Keep it up. You gave the best, most thought out response. I'm going to go get one of them carbines based on what you had to say. And also find somebody who can reassemble that darned pistol correctly and show me how to do it so I don't dork it up again.
Cheap shooting just for the fun of it is cool. It is a great thing for me and my kids to go do that doesn't bust a divorced dad's budget.

 
At Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No self-respecting criminal would be seen with a gun this awful looking. I, a model citizen, thankfully, am going to buy one ASAP. And I'm getting that ATI stock too. Seems a smarter solution than the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (which are sold-out everywhere anyway). Has anyone any experience with the 15-round Pro Mag magazine?

 
At Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've always been a fan of function or aesthetics. Hi Point is definitely a functioning weapon. I have a .380 ACP pistol and I was shooting at clay pigeons at 25 yards. I shot 1 time for each disk and had 1 shot left, so I shot down the wire they were hanging on.
As always though you have to maintain a weapong for it to be effective and efficient. I plan to buy a 9mm carbine soon because the reviews are 95% good, and for the negative ones they're mostly unfounded or written by inexperienced shooters.
As for the gangster use crap, that's way out there as any criminal looking for a cheap weapon will take what he can get.

 
At Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had my HiPoint carbine 995 about six months I'm fortunate enough to live 15 minutes from an outdoor range so I use it quite often. I can't believe how accurate this gun lets me shoot.I'm a lousey shot but this gun really improves my marksmanship. Never jammed,put all of the cheapest ammo I could find thru it. I have a 30 30,223'30.6,22 and 20 guage. Whenever I go to the range I make sure to take it along with my other guns. No I don't work for Hi Point!

 
At Friday, July 31, 2009 10:52:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

( Extended mags ) I too own a 995 I wanted to get an mp5 untill I seen the price tag. I own a Hipoint .380 and like what it does but once I seen the new ATI stock I went out and got the carbine ordered the stock and LOVE it! It actually looks cooler than the mp5 now and I get ALOT of attention at the ranges from people about my gun. When they find out its a high point after they shoot it and compliment it.... mind blown is the best way to describe them. However I bought the extended mags for them and they are total JUNK! DO NOT BUY THEM! The after market 10 round mags work great tho. Hope this helps?

 
At Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:28:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have 2 of the Hi-Point 995 carbines. One is over 8 years old and was put into a ATI replacement stock when the original finally broke from my abuse. The second one is new this year and both perform without a single failure. The old one has over 10k rounds through it. I would probably buy a 3rd one if I thought they would be discontinued for any reason. I've had the Ruger carbine and hated it for constant jams and accuracy issues. I also have the KelTec SUB2000 and like it as well, but my Hi-Points are far and away my favorites. The ProMAG 15 round magizines work well in the original stock but not in the ATI stock. I keep plent of both roiginal mags and proMAGs around to plink with. I guess you either love it or hate it, but until you shoot at least a thousand rounds through it you should keep your opinions to yourself. Once you legitimately compare the reliability of the Hi-Point to any other carbine w/1000 rounds or more, you'll own one.

 
At Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:20:00 AM, Blogger Howie said...

I don't hunt but I have a .40 Hi Point pistol and the 995 carbine. The carbine I bought used for $125.00. It had a problem with the magazine not wanting to go in easily. Other than that it would shoot great. I decided to send it in to Hi Point and take advantage of there warranty. It came back within 8 days and had a new clip latch, trigger, firing pin and shroud. The only thing wrong with the shroud was appearance it had a scratch on it. I love this gun and you can't beat Hi Points customer service. I'm on a budget and I appreciate company's like Hi Point giving me some good options.

 
At Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have known people who has poached for food who have dropped deer with .22 lr by shooting in the head the neck and in few cases small yearlings in the heart all drop shots except the yearling in the heart that only went 30 yards, so i think a 1200 fps and 350 ft lbs of energy would drop one in a well placed shot, easily. mr unethical hunter is an unethical moron.

 
At Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have owned a Hi-Point 9mm carbine for years and have one of the very first ones (Extremely low serial number)which has given me outstanding results in terms of accuracy and reliability.

I have taken numerous Coyotes with my carbine and found that the 115 grain hollow points work well cleanly dispatching them out to 50 yards.

While a heavy 9mm 147gr controlled expansion Hollow Point bullet might be able to take a broadside standing adult deer cleanly at very short range(40 yards Max)one has to do some precision shot placement.

My 9mm carbine has its likes and dislikes when it comes accuracy with different types and weights of bullets and a ethical hunter must do some accuracy testing with a bullet designed to penetrate deeply.

I would suggest a max group size of 1.5" inches at 40 yards from a scoped carbine and a controled expanding bullet with weight of 147grains.

Stay away from bargain brand hollow points made by Winchester USA, UMC or Federal American Eagle as these are very low grade bullets which will not expand and penetrate correctly to bring a deer down cleanly.

Brands like Federal HST,Winchester Ranger and Speer Gold Dot are the way to go and never ever use a Full Metal Jacket bullet design as you will never recover a deer shot with one as these bullets do not expand and do minimal damage.

Remember: Close Range, Precision shot placement at a standing broadside deer, Premium control expansion bullet of 147 grains.

 
At Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:19:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not own a HP firearm of any sort (I ran across this looking for carbine reviews). So i cant comment on the functionality or accuracy features of the gun, the price DOES look good to me tho. My own take on using a 9mm for deer hunting is this. If your a good shot with it and you dont have, or are not as comfortable with a larger rifle/cartridge then it is both a fine, and likely better choice. I have personally taken a large number of axis deer (90-250LBS) with a .22 long rifle, most were at night on a legal permit, and nearly all were head shot, tho my mother took a 100lb spike with a heart shot at some 40yds. I can say for a fact that 40grs or more, of lead that enters the brain cavity will kill.
Also tho I regularly use a 300wm on everything for the simple fact that YES power does make a difference, the catch being that i shoot my rifle regularly and i shoot it very well. I have also have a few lighter rifles and do use them when carrying my 300 is impractical or just not my cup of tea for the day. It is for THIS exact reason i was looking at picking up a .40 hp carbine.

 
At Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:14:00 PM, Anonymous big daddy rabbit said...

hello,,everyone the people who are knocking hi-point are usually the gun sellers who arent making 300.00 dollars on a gun sale or stupid ediots who are brain washed by them i have many firearms some are better but pound for pound hi-point stand their ground and then some all you mouthy haters put your money where your mouth is 500.00 dollars says hi-point out of the box shoots better than over half of those so called quality firearms we,ll shoot hollow point ,fmjs ,trusnated ++p loads .and see

 
At Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:18:00 AM, Anonymous Randy23 said...

I own several Hi Point firearms. 45 acp JHP,40 s&w JCP, 9mm C9, and the 9mm 995 carbine. I have found all to be very reliable and accurate after about a 300 round break in period. I don't cc any of the pistols due to size and weight.But my home gun is the 45 JHP with the Hi Point laser, My truck gun is the 9mm C9 and the 995 carbine with red dot scope and light is my home back up gun.
I would recommend any Hi Point products. I am a 20 year retired Army Vet that instructed many new recruits on firearms.

 
At Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I use to look at Hi-Points and say "What the heck would you want that for" and now after selling about 15 of the hand guns in 2 month span and having herd rave reviws from custmers and owners of them I am starting to change my mind..... And at the end of this week I am Buying a 9mm carbine 995ts and going to be puting a 1-4X20mm Luepold VX-II on top of it and going to play with it. First off is Coyotes then testing Corbon +p hps in it and come deer seson I will be trying it out making sure to use it with in Bow range 50 yards or less Making it my brush gun. And going to see first hand what this caliber is capibale of...
I am a hand loader and have seen first had what a well placed shot can do out of a .233 rem on a White Tail deer at 175 yards so i do belive that a well placed shot with a 9mm can do the same with in resabale range

 
At Monday, February 22, 2010 9:51:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought a 995 way back in '97 or '98. I got it as a plinker, and to carry around on the four wheeler for some hog hunting. It's small and light weight, and quick to point... and in heavy brush, most shots are less than 30 yards. It has worked great, despite being beat around, ran over, and generally abused by me and several friends over the years. A 9mm parabellium has been a man killer for years, works well on hogs, and I can't see why it can't work on white tail. And for the record, I work for the prison system, and after trying out my 995, several officers and rank picked one up to use on hot runs and escapes, or just to carry around under the truck seat. Compact, accurate, and a reliable shooter, a good combination.

 
At Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great all-around emergency survival/zombie firearm!

 
At Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:23:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have read a good portion of everyones comments and come to this conclusion: Only single minded 2nd Ammendment haters would call any gun a hunk of junk marketed to crimanals. And only think that a big caliber rifle can take down a deer, if you haven't figered how to bring one down with one shot by now you never will if you do hunt. When some idiot breaks into your home YOU should hope to have enough smarts to have grabed the pistol and not the rifle. HINT: cant turn in a hallway with that long barrel dum dum. Now that takes care of the neg. Here is for all the pos. I just found this site, I find it refreshing to see that there is still people who remember that its not how big it is but where you land it:)

 
At Friday, April 16, 2010 8:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well i have a Hi Point 45.

1. Its ugly
2. Big and heavy.
3. Slide is cast
4. cant field strip it.
5. missing a thumb switch for the slide
6. cheap.. 175 bucks roughly

(Ugly = Intimidating )
(big = low recoil )
hey its a fun gun to shoot. gotta laser rail. these seem to have been made cost effectively. only bringing a more affordable way to own a pistol. keep in mind like me some of us only need a gun for home or self protection. these firearms are a great thing really..

as far as your count on the denials. looks to me like A. the FBI background checks work. B. that store is full of crooks anyway. peace...

 
At Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The comment i find curious is that Hi-Points advertise to criminals, I haven't really seen Hi-Point advertise to anyone and I'm kind of curious, so these advertisements say which kind of criminals they want to sell their guns do, or do they advertise different calibers and models to different types of criminals, like hey arsonists, we got all your .380 needs right here. I would imagine its more like a Binky the Clown approach though "HEEEYYYYYY THUGS", either way what magazines or television channels are these ads on. Maybe it's a local radio channel. I live in a small rural area and we dont get quite the wide variety of radio programming bigger areas get, we have espn, two country stations, classic rock, we don't really have a hard core rap station, maybe this is where hi-point is advertising... I hope not, that would racist. Although the sales pitch line "HI-POINT FIREARMS..... DAMN BITCHES!!" ...would be awesome. Maybe have Snoop do it, or Nelly... Either way to say they advertise to criminals is ridiculous!

 
At Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:38:00 PM, Blogger Rusty said...

First time I saw an AK-47, thought it was poorly made and a piece of crude junk. It proved to me to be just the opposite. Just ask anyone that has had to face it. It would fire dirty, muddy or under any condition. Took one off of a dead gook that hadn't been cleaned since it was issued. It fired fine. Don't judge a book by its cover!

 
At Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SO THE .45 CARBINE IS FINALLY OUT NOW!!? WOW! IWAITED 2YRS FOR THIS. NOW THE PROBLEM IS FINDING ONE IN A VIRGINIA GUN SHOP. DON'T SEEM TO GET EM AROUND HERE. IS $300 BUKS TOO MUCH TO PAY FOR ONE OR IS THAT REASONABLE!?..WHAT AMMO U USE JUST FOR PRACTICE AND WHAT FOR PERSONAL DEFENSE!? THANKS!-PETE FROM VA.

 
At Friday, August 27, 2010 10:10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHERE DID ANY OF YOU GUYS OUT THERE PURCHASE YOUR .45 CAL CARBINE!!? I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IN DEALERS THAT CARRY THESE. THEY ALL SAY THEY NEVER HEARD OF THEM! ANY INFO?...THANKS!-PETE

 
At Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's absolutely ridiculous to stop selling a gun just because of denials. That's just like a car dealership not selling Honda Accords just because criminals like to steal them. Criminal intent has nothing to do with quality and reliability... or maybe it does, and the criminals also want a high quality, reliable gun as well.

Seems like stupidity rules in some places of employment.

 
At Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys,
Please don't take this at face value, it's probably because the hi points have very little margin and a hastle for the above mentioned. Being cheap means the dealers make very little. Why would you want to show a $500 Glock next to a Hi Point? Why would you even want it in the used section near a Sig whose margin is higher than the retail price of a hi point?

 
At Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The comments made by this individual confuses me. I own a 9 mm Ruger that I like, but it is too much for my wife to handle. I live in a very remote area, and I want her to have some kind of protection. Currently she has a 22 mag. I am seriously looking at the Highpoint because it appears to be something she can handle, it has more stopping power, and it carries a degree of initimidation that may negate her ever having to use it.

 
At Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:42:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I own a quite a number of guns.
I happen to own the following High Point pistols...
.380, C9mm, 40 cal, 45 cal AND a 9mm carbine.
All perform as good as the high price guns I have.
For the price, you can't go wrong.
Looking to buy HP's 40 and 45 carbines next.
Lifetime warranty. Made in USA!!!
Buy American.

 
At Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recently shot my 6 year old 995 carbine against name brand guns in a competion. Seems odd that a "piece of junk" took firt place. I shot against law enforcment officers with their Sig's, Smith & Wessons, Ruger's and Colt's. I am not an Officer of any kind, just a person who likees to shoot any kind of gun he can. I own Colt's,Sig's, Savage's and Remingtons. The 995 Hipoint is the most fun to shoot gun I have.

 

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