Friday, November 11, 2005

Serbu Super-Shorty 12 Gauge

Serbu Super-Shorty 12 Gauge


Here's the basic description from their website:

The SUPER-SHORTY is based on a Mossberg Maverick (also available on 500 or 590 at additional cost) 12-gauge shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip. Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and can be transferred with a $5 stamp! The gun holds two 2-3/4" or 3" shells in the magazine, plus one in the chamber. The 16.5" overall length, 6.5" barrel and spring-locked foregrip, which pivots out of the way when not in use, make for a very compact package.

Here's the link to their website, and here's a link to a video of the Super-Shorty being fired.

It kinda boggles the mind!

Hat tip to SondraK for this!

20 Comments:

At Friday, November 11, 2005 8:59:00 PM, Anonymous akafuze said...

cuzsbvSuper Short Wrist Breaker

 
At Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's cool looking, but the 2+1 capacity is kind of small. I'd rather have something a little longer with more rounds.

- Les

 
At Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:32:00 AM, Blogger The Conservative UAW Guy said...

Sweet.

 
At Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't get carried away with sawed-off shotguns, for several reasons:

Technical: a shotgun round is designed to burn all it's powder in 24 inches of barrel. As you shorten the barrel, you get a weaker load AND you get a flash. With a 6.5" barrel, you will get a humungous flash, and, if you're lucky, 700 FPS on your load. You can do better flinging feces.

Legal: Having been a cop, I'm here to tell you that while this weapon may fall through the BATFE's net as to purchase, it won't fall through ANY nets as to your state or local laws, almost ALL of which make carrying illegal, and most make possession illegal. That's a fact of life. You can rant all you want, but you won't change the facts.

Bottom line: get something that's 26" overall length, with at least an 18" barrel. You'll find such a shotgun quite handy, quite devastating, and no one will give you a second look when they see it.

If you must have something of high firepower that hits hard and can conceal under a coat, and a Model 1911 in .45 ACP DOESN'T fit your pistol, get a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 rifle. With it's legal 16" barrel and 16" stocked action, and the fact that it folds in half TO CARRY ON A SLING, you have a high-volume little carbine, in .40 S&W or 9mm, that takes 15-round magazines (and 29 or 32 round mags are available). All for about $300.

Serious gunsels don't get worked up over TV-Movie guns, which the Serbu is.

Rivrdog

 
At Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:38:00 AM, Blogger Kevin said...

Rivrdog:

It's an NFA weapon. You still have to jump through all the hoops to get LEO signoff, etc., just like for a full-auto or a suppressor. Only the tax stamp for it is $5, not $200. If you live in a non-NFA state, you don't get to buy one.

Arizona is an NFA state. My local Sheriff signs Form 4's.

And I want one of these modified to work with the Aguila 1-3/4" mini-shells. You ought to be able to get 3 or 4 in the magazine tube, and one up the spout.

 
At Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some states adopt the NFA rules lock, stock and barrel, but some have additional rules, as do some counties and cities. The rulemaking is all over the map. In Oregon, we have the short-barrel rule, ORS 166.210(2), which would define the Serbu Shorty as a pistol for purposes of rulemaking.

Re-chambering to a shorty round simply gives less firepower. The object of shooting a firearm at a person is to either disable that person or kill them, depending on your tactics. Standard 12ga rounds fired from a decent length barrel, say 18", will do that nicely.

When you drop your barrel length to 6.5 inches, THEN drop your shot charge and powder load as well, you have given away too much. I can gin you up a defense load for the .44 Special that will include shot and short brads as a "beehive" round for devastating anti-personnel work out to about 15 feet, the limit of range for that bar-sweeper you advocate. Using, say, a Charter Arms Bulldog 44, you have five rounds of beehive that you can get out in about 2 seconds with practice, then reloads of your choice with a speedloader, then five more, total time about 7 seconds, repeat as required. Try stuffing shells into ANY kind of repeating shotgun as a speed test. You can't. I've watched the Oregon Police Shotgun champ many times. He could fire his four and combat-speed-load one for a total of five quite rapidly, but none of the weapons are designed to be reloaded quickly except maybe the Saiga S-12, which reloads with a magazine.

The firepower aspect of multiple rounds is just too limited with a shotgun. If you want to see how it's REALLY done, go to your range and watch some IPSC work. I would pick any of those pistoleers to win a gunfight out to 10 yards (where most of them occur) against any of the Practical Shotgun competitors, any time.

Proper shotgun tactics DO NOT include trying to take out multiple targets with a single shot, so where does that leave you with a Serbu Shorty that you can't aim or expect to hit reliably with past reaching distance?

The shotgun's ONLY advantages are area fire and intimidation factor. If your target knows gunfighting, the intimidation factor is gone, negated by a fast thinking pistol shooter who can move, shoot AND reload, because that person is always the more dangerous adversary.

Rivrdog

 
At Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:31:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arizona Revised Statutes 13-3101:

" 7. "Prohibited weapon" means, but does not include fireworks imported, distributed or used in compliance with state laws or local ordinances, any propellant, propellant actuated devices or propellant actuated industrial tools that are manufactured, imported or distributed for their intended purposes or a device that is commercially manufactured primarily for the purpose of illumination, including any of the following:

(d) Rifle with a barrel length of less than sixteen inches, or shotgun with a barrel length of less than eighteen inches, or any firearm that is made from a rifle or shotgun and that, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches."

Sorry, Kevin, it appears that AZ prohibits this weapon. You could carry it and try to have the criminal defense of Federal Preemption, but if you lost, you would be looking at prison time, and a loss of weapons priveleges. That's just not worth having a bar-sweeper sawed-off, even if it's legal to buy one. You would be legal until you left the gun shop.

Rivrdog

 
At Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:50:00 AM, Blogger Mr. Completely said...

If the barrel was rifled at the factory, would it then be a pistol, or is there a maximum bore size that makes it no longer a pistol?

......Mr. C.

 
At Monday, November 14, 2005 9:49:00 PM, Blogger Josh said...

I would wager that, having researched and fired lots of those Aguila shells, they would stop better than a .44Sp or a .45, even out of a shorty. I'd even go so far as to extend the projected lethal range of the buckshot loads, given the wad design and the pattern that they are staggered in the shell, to well beyond 15ft.

With the slugs, its no contest. A 3/4oz slug at, say, 1000fps out of the shorty barrel will stop better than your standard house JHP 230gr .45 loads or 200gr 44's. We're talking about delivering close to double (or more) the energy as the pistol rounds, with a decently fast, handy follow up 2 (or more) shots.

You're right, Rivrdog - a good pistol is a much more practical, reliable choice. But with factory loads, even a short 12ga trumps a pistol, unless it is a serious competitor, a cop or a soldier trying to shoot you. That probably accounts for less than 1% of gun criminals. For most skels with their Jennings pistols or whatever, its probably not a big dealio.

The handload question is interesting, too. You were a LEO - how much more grief would a homeowner get for using some kind of handload that maximizes tissue damage to approximate a shotgun, rather than a good factory load? How would that look to a jury? I only have limited knowledge, specific to California, but outside target rounds and hunting rounds, shooters are strongly encouraged not to handload anything "tactical" or defensive for just that reason. Sure, I'd rather be tried by 12 and all that, but I don't want to go away for a while or owe compensatory damages because I got creative with a Rockchucker.

That Serbu may be a "play" gun with limited practicality, but it looks good and will perform in a pinch.

 
At Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:10:00 AM, Blogger Kevin said...

Rivrdog:

Arizona allows under NFA rules the possession of short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, suppressors, full-auto weapons and NFA classified "Any Other Weapons". The Serbu Super-Shorty is legally defined as an AOW. But you have to have the Federal paperwork. You missed Paragraph B of A.R.S. 13-3101: The items set forth in subsection A, paragraph 7, subdivisions (a) [explosives], (b) [suppressors], (c) [automatic weapons] and (d) [short barreled rifles and shotguns] of this section do not include any firearms or devices that are registered in the national firearms registry and transfer records of the United States treasury department or any firearm that has been classified as a curio or relic by the United States treasury department.

And I still want one.

 
At Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:13:00 PM, Anonymous recon said...

nice work kevin and josh.

gg haters, the Serbu Super Shorty tears it up.

 
At Monday, May 07, 2007 7:20:00 PM, Anonymous ctdonath said...

Yes, your state/local regs may vary for this kind of thing ... but don't get your panties in a wad either.

In NY (not NYC, that's a different country), the Super Shorty is just a pistol like any other. Seriously. I bought a Mossberg 590 AOW, which is basically the same thing just with a 14" barrel. Other than the sheriff saying "in 13 years on this job, NOBODY has ever asked me to sign this form" (regarding the _federal_ paperwork), and the county clerk doing a double-take when I amended my handgun license to include a _12_gauge_ pistol (I just smiled and said "it's a collector's item"; that satisfied her), there was no legal issue whatsoever beyond the standard federal Form 4 and the NY Pistol Permit amendment.

And yes it's fun - with birdshot.
Just don't shoot slugs thru it or you'll have a seriously sore thumb. Trust me.

 
At Monday, February 25, 2008 9:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and after all that work jamming extra shells into the mag, the bartender pulls out a Benelli M1 with its 14" barrell and wastes both the criminal with the glock or mac 10 and the guy defending himself because he has this crazy shotgun pistol..

 
At Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:25:00 PM, Blogger Col. Hogan said...

Kind of reminds me of the sawed-off Winchester (Model 92?) that was used by Steve McQueen in the tv series "The Bounty Hunter."

 
At Friday, November 28, 2008 8:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well as an owner of one, I gotta tell you, IT KICKS SOME SERIOUS TAIL! It's a ton of fun, but even more fun to watch someone else shoot it for the first time, it brings smiles to their faces or shock, and they usually laugh about how it bites the webbing between your thumb and index finger when shooting.

Oregon does allow the carry of these, and I've been known to carry it as well as a pistol just for the kicks of it or when I have to frequent a non-desirable area.

For anyone on the fence about buying one, do it, you won't regret it.

 
At Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out www.eaglesquadronproductions.com I think, or google eagle squadron + mare's laig to see the McQueen gun. There are others in wrong caliber, etc. but these are the real deal. At the time, McQueen beat the current .45 SAA speed draw champ and in the hands of the right people, both that and the Serbu super shorty are effective.

 
At Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:33:00 PM, Anonymous Joseph said...

I know this is old, but rivrdog, you're the sort of badge-heavy dumbass who gives cops a bad name. if you don't like it, BFD, state why and move on. but don't sit here, spouting sh*t about how it's illegal, quoting partial laws without even a basic comprehension of writ. finally, don't comapare a 5.56 POS cheap gun, that won't even fire while folded, to a 12GA sawed off in short-range leathality. why do you think the armed services currently are using an 870 with a 7" barrel, under an M16 made by knights armament, in combat?

man, these internet tough-guys, ridic.

 
At Friday, January 15, 2010 1:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joseph, before I make my statement I will say I think the Serbu is freaking cool (my form 4 is in the mail). The short 870 under the M16/M4 wasn't very widely distributed and has since been replaced by the XM-26 box fed short shotgun. The purpose of these short shotguns is not for fighting or taking on human targets but rather to breech doors. The idea is the door man blows the lock apart with the shotgun and has his M4a1 already aimed and ready to go. To me, the serbu will just be a fun range toy. My 20 inch Mossberg 590A1, my S&W M&P16 (AR) and my Beretta are what I use for self defense.

 
At Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can own and operate a serbu shorty shotgun as long as your state allows NFA weapons. The AOW (any other weapon) is what the serbu super shorty is. It transfers with a $5.00 stamp issued by the BATFE and this my friends is federal. Look up and read the law before you post nonsense and urban legend. Your local CLEO (chief law enforcement officer) will sign your paperwork (pending your not a psycho or have a criminal record) because it's the law. As long as your state allows ownership of NFA firearms (and not controlled by liberacrats) you can own a serbu shottie. Make no mistake that you must have a copy of the signed stamp from the BATFE when you have it in your posession, ie., shooting, carrying & transporting. I have never had any problems with any PO's in TN with any classs III weapons or acc. and is perfectly legal. Don't believe me look it up. It's all available online from the BATFE. The serbu is an entirely fun gun to play with and just as great a home defense weapon as it's big brothers. It really disturbs me to hear comments about NFA guns like the serbu especially when the information they're providing is false. I have two serbus and three SBS (short barreled shotguns) shotties they all are great LEGAL weapons law abiding Americans can own.

 
At Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:32:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just thinking outside the box, but application wise this shorty could be the next big thing in nonlethal. For someone like a bounty hunter who is just looking to incapacitate, over eviscerate. Most stun types and chemicals are fairly uncertain. The Super short would be a sweet place to stow your nonlethal rounds, and they would be close to your side in a compact intimidating little package. STOP OR I'LL STOP YA!

 

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